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What is happening to prices?
The classifieds on a well-known motoring related website were checked in the middle of last year and in early December. From February 2011 the data was collected every two months, each issue of RV8R.
I have collated the figures separately for pre cat and cat Griffiths. Here’re the results.    
It is very tempting to make some sort of comment and prediction on these figures. However, I might well end up looking an idiot so I will refrain.
The figures are the posted prices of the cars as advertised. They are not the selling price. It is a myth to suggest that dealers do not reduce prices although it is accepted wisdom that private buyers expect to be knocked down a little.

Chimaera prices

The slightly different way of assessing Chimaera prices didn’t suit everyone. Probably anyone going by the comments I received, so here is a more standard interpretation.

The most noticeable fact is the variation between Trade and Private prices, not always favouring the former it would appear.

 

Unsure what a Cat D write off is? Here is an explanation given by the AA. A write off is a damaged or stolen car for which the insurance company has decided to pay an agreed value rather than pay for the cost of repairs. Depending on which category the vehicle is classed, some may be repaired and returned to the road. The general rule is that a a car marked Category D looses a considerable amount of value and cat C even more so. In the case of cat D, if the repair has ben completed by a reputable garage to a high standard then you could bag a bargain. But when you come to sell, the price you get will not reflect its condition.

Category A write off
A vehicle which should be totally crushed, including all its spare parts
Category B write off
A vehicle from which spare parts may be salvaged but the bodyshell should be crushed and the car should not return to the road
Category C write off
An extensively damaged vehicle which the insurer has decided not to repair but which could potentially be repaired
Category D write off
A damaged vehicle which the insurer has decided not to repair but which could be repaired to a high standard and returned to the road
Category F write off
A vehicle damaged by fire which the insurer has decided not to repair
Theft category
A vehicle which has not been recovered and ownership rests with the insurer which made the total loss payment. They are able to repossess the car as soon as it is identified even it if has been bought innocently

Write offs

Eeny, meany, miney, mo

The next most popular question on the subject of buying is which to go for. I refer my correspondents to the answer I gave earlier.

One thing that does come up fairly often is what do you get for the extra money for a Griffith over a Chimaera.

Let us start with a description of the Chimaera options first.

There are three different engines in the main, 4.0, 4.5, and 5.0. I’ve driven them back to back and the difference in performance is noticeable. But away from comparative testing, the 4.0 is a very fast car, fast enough to get you into trouble. If you come into a Rover V8-engined car from something a bit more normal you will be impressed. It is awe inspiring. However, it is a common comment that after a few months you become used to the performance and you end up wanting that bit more. However, this is not a reason to buy a 5.0. I was chatting to a chap who had installed a supercharger on a 4.5 who told me that within three months he wanted more. Indeed I’m told some people have opted for twin superchargers.

You will always want more.

The only time the difference between a 4.0 and a 4.5 and 5.0 is obvious is on a track. A 4.0 will be left struggling. On a road it can become noticeable but only if the 4.5 in front of you is being driven with a cavalier attitude to the Road Traffic Act. I’ve not fallen behind any convoy I’ve been in.

That said, I’d prefer a 5.0 or even a 4.5 over a 4.0 every time. It is a shame I could not afford one. That, to me, is the only question: Cost.

Whether a Griffith is better looking than a Chim is down to personal taste. You tell me. Or rather, don’t. Over and above looks, what do you get for all that extra money if you buy a Griffith? You get quite a bit less boot space. Many of us Chim owners have made the odd comment to those struggling to put a roof into their boot. But that is about it. The later Chims had the same chassis set-up as the Griffs and even the earlier ones were all but identical.

Which is cheaper to own?

Not an easy one to answer. Whilst the Griff costs considerably more for similar spec, there is the suggestion that they will increase in price. Over the last year it would seem (I’m saying no more than that) that prices have bottomed out and might well be on the up. Given the financial situation at the moment this has to be very good news. But that said, given the current financial situation, is it likely to go on?

Chim prices, especially for the 4.0, have got to the stage where as long as you don’t pay top dollar, if you keep your car in good nick and don’t do high mileage, depreciation is likely to be very low. But that too is given the current financial situation.

If the cost is what is concerning you then buy a Chim and put by the money you save in purchase price and invest it in ISAs. This is likely to give you a much better return on your investment than buying a Griff.

My advice, the one I have given to all those who have emailed me, is buy the one you want. If it is a Griffith, then go for it if you can afford it. If you prefer the Chim, then ignore all the stuff about better investment and buy one.

In the current financial situation, not to mention the problems in north Africa and the middle east, prices can go down as well as plummet.

Summer
2010
Trade £
Private £
Winter
2010
Trade £
Private £
Average pre cat price
11,875
10,500
Average pre cat price
12,250
10,415
Average mileage
52,750
62,350
Average mileage
51,000
40,000
Average cat price
14,900
18,175
Average cat price
18,575
13,115
Average mileage
41,000
41,120
Average mileage
41,695
52,350
February
2011
Trade £
Private £
May 2011
Trade £
Private £
Average pre cat price
No figures
11,583
Average pre cat price
11,643
10,679
Average mileage
No figures
66,000
Average mileage
59,879
51,521
Average cat price
20,644
11,430
Average cat price
21,571
14,931
Average mileage
45,755
44,100
Average mileage
40,281
43,572
July
2011
Trade £
Private £
Sept. 2011
Trade £
Private £
Sept. 2011
Trade £
Private £
Average pre cat price
13,688
11,625
Average pre cat price
12,000
9,250
Average pre cat price
13,625
15,500
Average mileage
55,750
42,677
Average mileage
63,125
56,167
Average mileage
62,750
48,000
Average cat price
20,345
11,625
Average cat price
18,174
17,086
Average cat price
19,362
13,I54916
Average mileage
40,571
42,727
Average mileage
43,339
43,612
Average mileage
44,250
50,333

Chimaera

February average prices

May average prices

 

Trade £

Private £

Trade £

Private £

4.0 litre

11,029

9,213

11,673

10,382

4.5 litre

13,805

10,756

13,990

10,772

5 litre

13,675

12,500

15,442

12,367

93 - 95, 4l

6,750

7,563

6,750

7,563

96 - 98, 4l

10,636

8,825

11,188

7,562

99 onward, 4l

12,896

10,958

12,520

11,225

Chimaera

June average prices

September average prices

December average prices

 

Trade £

Private £

Trade £

Private £

Trade £

Private £

4.0 litre

11,484

7,594

11,354

9,164

12,120

8,328

4.5 litre

13,990

10,772

15,269

14,250

14,647

11,437

5 litre

15,442

12,367

16,179

13,292

15,958

11,750

93 - 95, 4l

9,375

8,861

8,400

6,208

9,750

6,350

96 - 98, 4l

14,213

10,375

12,150

10,375

11,985

9,750

99 onward, 4l

16,562

12,972

14,611

12,521

14,680

12,250

The most notable change in the characteristics of the Chimaera is the fact that for cars 99 onward, there were 29 for sale. Two, just two, of these wre private sale, the rest were trade. This seems to indicate to me a significant trend over the past few months. Whereas this time last year trade all but ignored the Chimaera, now, with the scarcity of Griffiths, they are looking elsewhere for their stock. This will increase the second hand prices of all Chims or, perhaps, stop them dropping at least.

Prices

See Buying for further information on what to look for when buying Chims and Griffs.

Griffiths

I’ve been asked how I ‘justify the prices’ and whether I’m getting help from any dealers regarding them. Firstly, I do talk to a few dealers but it is fair to say they tell me sod all about prices. But then that’s their livelihood so you can’t blame them. Secondly, I don’t justify the prices, merely do the calculations. Sometimes the answers confuse me as much as anyone.

For the Chim, see below, I think there is a significant change starting. I’ve made my little prediction despite saying I would not. As I said above, I might well end up looking like an idiot but then I’ve had plenty of practice.